

Timehost: Hello everyone. We're
joined now by COURT TV anchor Raymond Brown and TIME Daily writer Frank
Pellegrini to talk about the President's acquittal. Welcome to you both.
ml731 asks: Do you think that if
Clinton's trial were held in the private court system that he would have
been acquitted?
COURT TV's Raymond Brown: It's a hard
question to answer because you'd have to know whether it was a civil or a
criminal trial and where it was being held if it's a criminal trial in DC
which is heavily Democratic and largely black, Clinton would be in pretty
good shape. But the answer is: it depends.
dr_jahns asks: Can Clinton still
be prosecuted?
Frank Pellegrini: Absolutely. It's up
to Ken Starr whether he wants to pursue this case after the President's
term is up, against all political odds.
Egyptia764 asks: Will the
President seek revenge on the Republicans?
Raymond Brown: It is inconceivable that
he would not attempt to respond politically to those he views as his
persecutors, but he must do it without publicly gloating. If you shoot at
the king, you're supposed to take him out.
Frank Pellegrini: Yes, but, look, the
President is going to try help his own agenda and his party--getting Social
Security passed, preserving his legacy.
Raymond Brown: A noble assessment but
part of the problem is that frequently in the past, Clinton has been at
odds with his own party on ideological issues. He must now presumably make
amends since they saved his tail.
Frank Pellegrini: Yes, but depends on
what we mean by revenge. Winning the house would be the best revenge, and
the best way to get that done is to get his policies passed.
Deuce1_25 asks: What happens to
Monica now?
Raymond Brown: The talk show circuit?
Such books and magazines and films as she can wrangle. And the hope of not
becoming just another footnote.
Frank Pellegrini: She's doing Barbara
Walters, once Ken Starr clears her. And do books, and, I assume try to
lead a normal life
Raymond Brown: And then of course,
there was that rumor about whether the President was going to leave his
wife. :)
kristen_33314 asks: What will
happen to Kenneth Starr now? kristen miami florida
Raymond Brown: 1) He is currently
pursuing at least two Whitewater cases and the Hiatt-Steele case in this
investigation. Then the Blumenthal investigation. And he himself is being
examined by the Office of Professional Responsibility at the Justice
Dept.-- and then there's the question of the Clinton indictment.
Frank Pellegrini: Sitting in a dark
room for a very long while and try to figure out just why everyone hates
him so much.
StageVoice asks: Do
constitutional scholars believe that the actual thoughts of the Founding
Fathers were followed in this procedure?
Frank Pellegrini: I would think so,
except for the fact that they would probably have preferred that this case
not get to the Senate. But the result seems to be in line with their
intentions.
Raymond Brown: I think it's impossible
to say because (1) they did not contemplate an OIC; (2) they could not have
imagined the effect of pervasive media coverage; (3) they wouldn't have
understood the impact of blacks and women as political factors; and
probably would be surprised that sexual indiscretion could have
precipitated this kind of constitutional inquiry.
XxNoellexX asks: If this was a
Republican president , do you think he would of been acquitted??
Frank Pellegrini: Sure, if this was the
exact same situation.
Raymond Brown: Of course. Not even a
close question. In fact, he would never have been impeached (although, I
don't think the Republicans like sex very much, so it's a hypothetical
question).
Timehost: Another hypothetical
question...
LuckyThing asks: If the economy
were bad would this have had a different ending?
Raymond Brown: Quite possibly. You
cannot underestimate the impact of Clinton's popularity on the
proceedings.
steeda82 asks: Mr. Brown, what do
you think of the prosecution's handling of the case?
Raymond Brown: By the time they refined
their arguments, they had made the best of a bad situation. But they
suffered from two major problems: (1) an excess of sanctimony, and (2) an
unwillingness to directly criticize the President's underlying conduct -- a
public figure sacrifices some privacy when elected. The question is how
much? The Republicans were so busy saying "it's not about sex" they
ignored this issue.
Frank Pellegrini: Good job on the
facts, bad job on the PR. Proving that this was an impeachable and
removable offense was an uphill battle--maybe an impossible one.
sixpence_98_99 asks: Why do you
think Hillary has been so quiet throughout this whole thing?
Frank Pellegrini: What could she
possibly say?
Raymond Brown: I agree. I think she's
played it perfectly. After all ,there are rumors of her running for Senate
in New York. Emotionally, it has to have taken a great toll on her and her
daughter. She may have had an "understanding" with her husband, but I
doubt if it included detailed worldwide discussion and description of his
sexual activity.
kristen_33314 asks: Do you think
he will try harder for issues now such as social
security..etc?...kristen.miami florida
Frank Pellegrini: Absolutely.
Raymond Brown: I think he wants to
leave a legacy. His problem will be to build a consensus around a
solution. And the fact is that there are a number of foreign policy issues
threatening to boil over like worldwide economic crisis, especially in Asia
-- continued unrest in the Balkans -- major warfare in the Congo -- and
Linda Tripp's book.
Frank Pellegrini: If things like Social
Security fail, he can always fall back on the excuse that the Republicans
wouldn't let him get it done. Don't look for him to make any big foreign
policy moves because he doesn't want to take any big risks.
Raymond Brown: Keep in mind that both
Nixon and Carter sought redemption through playing the elder statesman in
foreign policy. if Clinton wishes to duplicate that, he has to start
now.
Frank Pellegrini: Clinton's redemption
is Social Security. Foreign Policy has always been a weaker spot for
him
Raymond Brown: How old are you, Frank?
Frank Pellegrini: 26
ahLaDonna asks: Is he totally
exonerated or is censure in the picture?
Frank Pellegrini: Censure is dead.
Raymond Brown: Yep, censure is dead.
Frank Pellegrini: But, as a lot of
Democrats will say, he's been very bad, and been punished enough by the
House impeachment vote
Raymond Brown: Even censure's advocates
like Snow and Feingold have conceded it's dead. Ironically, the
Republicans could've had censure in the House if they'd wanted it or
censure with the President's signature on it before the start of the Senate
trial. Censure is meaningless anyway and probably unconstitutional. (oops,
do I sound like Senator Gramm?)
mr_chatmeister asks: What does
Arlen Specter's "not proven" vote mean today?
Frank Pellegrini: It means Scottish law
is not dead... Despite what we might think
Raymond Brown: Actually, the dialogue
about "not proven" is frequent in the context of American courts because
it is a clearer articulation of what "not guilty" means. For the American,
"not guilty" does not mean "innocent." It means the state has failed to
meet its burden, etc., etc., etc.
Timehost: How about on a political
level -- Trent Lott was reportedly furious at Specter today?
Raymond Brown: Specter's always been
sort of a Republican version of a maverick. I doubt if people are as
surprised by his position as they are by Warner or Thompson.
presidential821 asks: What do you
think of Clinton's Rose Garden speech today?
Frank Pellegrini: It was great until he
took that question. His response was another example that he considers
himself a victim.
Raymond Brown: Why is that so? It
seems that clearly he needs forgiveness for having made bad mistakes, and
he is suggesting he can forgive his obviously overzealous and partisan
accusers. It's an appropriate sentiment if it's sincere.
Frank Pellegrini: But who's going to
ask him for forgiveness? Republicans? It seems this is a backhanded
attempt to suggest that somebody needs to be apologizing to the
President.
Raymond Brown: We could understand the
President if he sought revenge against people he thought unfairly attempted
to capitalize on his mistakes. if he chooses to forbear, why is that not a
legitimate exercise in forgiveness?
Frank Pellegrini: Because he just
finished taking responsibility for lying to everyone for 7 months, and then
paired that with the suggestion that now it was Ken Starr's turn to
apologize. The two didn't work well together.
Raymond Brown: The president's
suffering may not be unmerited but it is probably excessive. One could
argue that Starr's conduct is a greater threat to ordered liberty than
Clinton's peccadilloes and fibs.
kristen_33314 asks: What about
the investigations against Starr? kristen miami florida
Raymond Brown: There is an
investigation. The Justice Dept. investigation focuses on two areas:
potential conflicts, which I suspect won't go far, and the possibility that
Starr's office had contact with Tripp earlier than has been previously
reported to the Justice Dept. The latter could lead to reprimands or
criticism from the Justice Dept.
Frank Pellegrini: Not to mention this
is the end of the IC statute.
Raymond Brown: Amen.(to the end of the IC
statute.)
Timehost: Here's a question about Republican political strategy in the future...
bogajo asks: It will be
interesting to see how much effort Republicans will make to "get along"
with this Pres. won't it?
make
Frank Pellegrini: They have to
every effort. The only way they can
undo the damage is to show they can still pass legislation.
Raymond Brown: And they also have to
hope that this episode fades from the popular imagination before the next
election.
Frank Pellegrini: It will be up to them
to give the public something else to remember about this Congress.
Raymond Brown: The problem may be,
Republicans are showing signs of being as fractious as the Democrats.
Frank Pellegrini: Another thing, the
GOP has to figure out which faction the leadership will speak for--the
moderates, or the conservatives which make up their most passionate
base. And, is Denis Hastert
going to be his own man, or Tom DeLay's?
Raymond Brown: True. It's important to
note not only did Republicans
lose the war, but they lost a chunk of their leadership.
Frank Pellegrini: Which may have been
the best thing to have ever happened to them. Paging George W. Bush.
Psycho_Chihuahua_53 asks: Do you
think that Starr can indict Clinton while still in office?
Raymond Brown: The New York Times
published a story 10 days ago based on "leaks" from Starr's office saying
that Starr believed it is constitutional to indict the President while
still in office. If he does, it would
have to be a sealed indictment. It would seem foolish for him to take on
that legal fight. On the other hand, folly has been the
hallmark of this investigation, just as arrogance has characterized the
President's response.
matt___________ asks: What will
happen to Linda Tripp now? matt rose
Bowhunter154 asks: What's to
happen to Linda Tripp now that the President has been cleared? She
obviously broke a wire tap law of some kind, didn't she?
Raymond Brown: She will be spared
prosecution, but be hounded in the halls of pop culture. Having violated the one
principle on which virtually everyone agrees: the duty of loyalty. And her purported
defenses -- that she alone in the fall of 1998 was concerned about the
constitutional liberties of Paula Jones and that she did all
this for Monica Lewinsky's benefit -- is simply laughable. If she really
sought public redemption, she would've done a mea culpa.
Frank Pellegrini: But she's still
pulling down more money then I do.
dr_jahns asks: Will Bill Clinton
ever be able to save his reputation?? - Catherine Riggs
Raymond Brown: Frank's the expert on
redemption, right? :) Think of what Nixon did. Nixon was able to emerge
as an elder statesman after years of a carefully planned rehabilitation. Carter was able to
salvage a generally negative impression as president by championing human
rights abroad, supervising elections in
Third World countries, acting as a negotiator, and, in the ultimate photo
op, carrying hammer and
nails and building houses for Habitat for Humanity.
Timehost: And here's an appropriate
concluding question -- the big one that's on everyone's mind...
evelynstevenson asks: Will this
finally be the end of all of this now?
Raymond Brown: No.
Frank Pellegrini: It's all over but the
aftermath.
Raymond Brown: :) There will be, as we
noted earlier, a Blumenthal investigation, a Hiatt-Steele trial, a Justice
Dept. investigation of Starr, controversy about the killing of the OIC in
June... and endless erudite post-mortems by Frank and myself.
Timehost: And we'll make sure to have
you back often for those!
Frank Pellegrini: But one place you
won't hear much about this is in Congress.
Raymond Brown: That's for sure.
They've had enough.
Timehost: And, as much fun as we've had for today, so have we! We've got to go!
Raymond Brown: Let's do it next time a
president gets impeached!
Timehost: Thanks to you both for
joining us!
TIME.com Special Report: The President On Trial

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