

ctv_will: Welcome to this Yahoo! Chat
being produced by Court TV in conjunction with TIME.com! We're talking
with Alan Dershowitz about the 5 years since the OJ trial. Mr. Dershowitz
also wrote a book about the trail called "Reasonable Doubts." OK let's get
started!
Total_Package27 asks: What is it
like to defend someone who, in the eyes of the public, is guilty?
Alan Dershowitz: That's my job. If the
public ever believed somebody to be innocent, I probably wouldn't take the
case. A good lawyer should want to take the hardest cases, the most
unpopular defendants, and the least likely to succeed. Just as a good
surgeon would more likely take a difficult operation, rather than a nose
job. Statistically, most of my clients are guilty. Statistically, most
people charged with crimes in America, are guilty. And thank God for that.
Would we want to live in a country where most people charged are innocent?
That might be true in Libya, or China, but not here.
Total_Package27 asks: Do you
think OJ was guilty?
Alan Dershowitz: The code of
Professional Responsibility precludes a lawyer from stating his opinions
about the guilt or innocence of a client. I probably know no more about
the facts of the case than most observers. I can say this: had I been on
the jury in the civil case, based on the evidence submitted in that case,
I probably would have voted the way the jury voted.
Total_Package27 asks: How can
someone be found innocent in a criminal trial and then be found guilty in
a civil trial?
Alan Dershowitz: Simpson was neither
found innocent in the criminal trial nor was he found guilty in the civil
trial. He was found "not guilty" in the criminal trial, which is very
different from innocent. Several jurors -- both white and black --
believed that he probably did it but that the police planted evidence
against him and lied. And they were unwilling to convict on the basis of
perjurious and tampered evidence.
In the civil case, he was found "liable," which is a very different
standard from guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. So the two verdicts are
perfectly reconcilable. We may find a similar result in the Louima case.
The defendants who were acquitted in the criminal case may well be found
liable in a civil case.
etmom6 asks: What is you opinion
of DNA evidence?
Alan Dershowitz: I am a very strong
believer in DNA evidence. I think it's a major breakthrough in the search
for truth and in the scientific efforts to establish facts. But the DNA
can be no better than the methods used to gather it and evaluate it.
If blood was taken from Simpson's blood reference tubes and planted on a
sock, as I believe it was, the fact that it contained Simpson's DNA
doesn't prove very much. The fact that it contains a chemical EDTA not
found in the human body, but found in test tubes used to preserve blood,
is far more significant.
jobattelepath asks: How long
after Simpson was found innocent will it be before he is actually
considered "innocent"? Personally, I think he did it, but he had his day
in court and won. Isn't that how the American justice system
works?
Alan Dershowitz: No. Every citizen has
the right to make up their minds as to whether they think he did it or
didn't do it. The verdict of history is very different from the verdict of
two juries. He can't ever go to jail on this accusation, but everybody has
the right to make his or her own decision.
sanddman1999 asks: How do you
think the judge handled the case?
Alan Dershowitz: As a teacher, I would
give him about a B. There were times when he was too conscious of the
media. He lacked courage on occasions. The vast majority of his rulings
favored the prosecution.
It was, in my view, a mistake to assign the case to a young judge with
further electoral ambitions. This was a perfect case for a wise old judge
with no political ambitions. Having said that, I think any elected judge
would have had a problem in this case, since the public had such strong
views. This case is a poster child for why we should never have elected
judges or prosecutors in this country. The main issue on the mind of both
Judge Ito and prosecutor Garcetti was its effect on their re-elections,
and elections should never influence justice.
mlup666395 asks: Dear Mr.
Dershowitz, I realize that a good defense attorney's job is to defend his
client but what made you take the OJ case and if he had been a poor black
from a different neighborhood would you have taken the case and would you
have believed in the innocence of your client?
Alan Dershowitz: Believing in the
innocence of my client is not a relevant factor in deciding which cases to
take. Neither is the wealth of the client. I take more pro bono cases than
any other lawyer in private practice in the US. Over my career, more than
half my cases have been pro bono. And I have represented numerous
African-Americans from poor neighborhoods and will continue to do so.
The reason I took the Simpson case is that he was facing the death
penalty at the time I was asked. I certainly didn't take it for the money.
I lost hundreds of thousands of dollars by taking the Simpson case. It's
significant that when people don't like my clients, they always assume I
did it for the money. When they like my clients, they always assume I did
it for principle.
greggrt asks: Do you think the
result would have been different if Vincent Bugliosi would have
prosecuted? Why or why not?
Alan Dershowitz: I think the result
might have been different if any competent prosecutor had prosecuted this
case. In thirty five years of practicing law, I never encountered two more
incompetent bunglers than Clark and Darden. They blew the case at every
stage. From jury selection to theory of the case, the length of the
presentation, to their unprofessional demeanor in court.
Do you know that Marsha Clark has admitted that she whispered to a lawyer
in the case as he was about to make a legal argument: "I want you to
remember I'm not wearing any underwear."
And that was one of her better moments.
The amazing thing is that she benefited and profited enormously from her
incompetence because people believed she was on the right side. I believe
that had she been in private practice, she would have moved mountains to
try to defend Simpson, though I'm sure she'll now deny that, because no
one would ever hire her to defend him. That's the way she is, that's why
she does television.
bridge_walker asks: Do you think
cameras in the court get in the way of a fair/expeditious trial?
Alan Dershowitz: On balance, cameras
in the courtroom are better than trials covered only by newspapers. A
newspaper reporter presents the case through the prism of their own
writing. Television allows the viewers to make up their own minds.
etmom6 asks: Mr. Dershowitz are
you still in contact with OJ? Is he doing anything to solve this
case?
Alan Dershowitz: No, I'm not.
If the alleged murderer is on the golf course, he's doing a great job.
But I've not seen or heard of much else that he's doing. He is, I'm told,
devoting a good deal of time to trying to raise his children. And he is,
I'm told, doing a very good job in that respect.
Back to the question of solving the crime, on a serious note, it would be
very difficult to find the actual killer, if there were an actual killer
other than the defendant. But it was done in the Dr. Sheppard case. So
anything's possible.
dollsteak1970 asks: Mr.
Dershowitz: What exactly do you consider the unfinished business of the
OJ Simpson trial? Thank you.
Alan Dershowitz: I think the major
unfinished business is to try to improve race relations in America, to
break down the blue wall of silence among the police, and to expose the
kind of police perjury that permeated the Simpson case.
_LYSISTRATA_99 asks: Do you
think the LAPD is racist?
Alan Dershowitz: I think there was a
great degree of toleration of racism among individual policemen, like
Fuhrman, by Chief Gates. One cannot characterize an entire department but
there are too many racists in the LAPD, just as there are in the NYPD or
the Boston PD.
But there are improvements. Fuhrman's resignation alone was a significant
improvement. But it's amazing how many people still admire Fuhrman,
despite his racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, admiration for Hitler,
anti-Hispanic attitudes, and bigotry and advocacy of violence -- and
perjury -- and evidence planting as legitimate police tools.
foxykel asks: What impact, if
any, did the verdict in the Simpson case have on the legal system?
Alan Dershowitz: Probably a negative
impact among most relatively uninformed people. Among informed people, it
was just another controversial verdict among many.
What shocks me is how much more upset most Americans seem to get when
they believe that a guilty person has been acquitted than when they learn
an innocent person has been convicted and even sentenced to death. Many
Americans seem to believe that it is better for ten innocent people to be
convicted than for even one guilty person to go free. And when that guilty
person -- guilty in the minds of these people -- is an African-American,
it seems to even be worse.
TomCatMeow36 asks: Do you think
every criminal trial should have an appellate specialist?
Alan Dershowitz: Yes, in cases where
appellate specialists work with the trial lawyers, the defendant has a far
better chance of being acquitted. Both at the trial level and on
appeal.
LonelyWifeAndNeedy asks: Mr. D.,
I am a lawyer in Austin ,Texas and I wonder what you think of the movie
re: you?
Alan Dershowitz: I think you're
referring to Reversal of Fortune, the movie about the Von Bulow case,
which I think was a very accurate portrayal of the legal issues in that
case, and its complexity. Of course, no one ever likes the way they are
personally portrayed, though I can't complain because Ron Silver is a lot
better looking than I am, though I am a better basketball player.
PStemme asks: Do you really
think that the OJ trial was about race or more about OJ's being a
celebrity?
Alan Dershowitz: I think it was about
a lot of things. It certainly was about race for many Americans. But were
the defendant not a celebrity, the racial issues would not have
surfaced.
It was also about money. Simpson was the rare defendant who could afford
to challenge the prosecution's evidence and put on a powerful defense. And
many Americans were outraged by his ability to defend himself.
dollsteak1970 asks: Mr.
Dershowitz: Are there still hard feelings between Robert Shapiro and the
rest of the defense team?
Alan Dershowitz: There are. I think we
all feel that Bob, who I like and who I have remained friendly with, made
a mistake when he accused Cochran of having dealt the race card from the
bottom of the deck. The race card was dealt by the prosecution, when THEY
selected a predominantly black jury. The prosecution also tried to play
the gender card, by trying this case as a spousal abuse case. It
backfired, on the prosecution. But Bob Shapiro is a great lawyer, despite
that one mistake.
CrazySean_2000 asks: Alan, who
is the next strongest suspect in the defense's minds?
Alan Dershowitz: The defense has no
obligation to come up with a suspect. It's job is to challenge the
prosecution's case. And we did that quite effectively. But the prosecution
did an even better job in self-destructing. They might have lost even if
there had been no defense. But we helped a little.
AAArocker asks: Please comment
on jury nullification!
Alan Dershowitz: I don't like jury
nullification. It was used by white jurors in the South to acquit racist
killers of civil rights workers. It is generally lawless: and poses
substantial dangers to democracy. But it occurs, on both sides. In this
case, I think the jury took very seriously it's obligation to decide
whether the perjury and evidence planting by the police raised a
reasonable doubt.
TomCatMeow36 asks: What issues
do you think were appealable from the trial?
ctv_will: And how concerned were you
that you would lose the criminal case and need to appeal?
Alan Dershowitz: I was concerned that
we were going to lose though most of the trial. And I also believe that we
probably would have lost the appeal had there been a conviction, even
though there were terrific appellate issues in the case. I find it
difficult to imagine an elected appellate court reversing a popular
verdict of conviction in the Simpson case, but I would have worked hard to
achieve that result had there been a conviction. I think we would have had
a better chance on federal habeas corpus. People don't realize that fewer
than 2 percent of criminal convictions are reversed on appeal, in most
states.
kurkus asks: Seems that Simpson
is going on with his life as if nothing has happened. How do you feel
about his interview in England in which he pretended to stab the host.
Also, a more important question is, are his children safe with
him?
Alan Dershowitz: I never felt
threatened with him. He was behind glass barriers most of the time I met
him. I think his children are safe with him.
I was offended by his interview in England. I was also offended by his
stupid comments regarding Jews and blacks. I think he should remain out of
the media, and take care of his children.
etmom6 asks: what is your answer
to the statement "Money can buy you justice" or you can get away with
murder if you have enough money?
Alan Dershowitz: It's false. No amount
of money can guarantee an acquittal -- ask Mike Tyson and Leona
Helmsley.
But without money, there is an almost certain likelihood of conviction. I
have been fighting against this system for 40 years, especially in death
penalty cases, where the lack of money has resulted in execution and
near-execution of innocent people. The answer to this problem is not to
deprive wealthy people of the right to defend themselves, but to provide
resources to poor people to obtain scientific, forensic and other means of
challenging the prosecution.
For most Americans, money and the justice system is a phony issue. They
don't care about poor people who lack money for defense, they only
complain about rich people who have money for a defense. The same problem
exists in medicine, education, pre-natal care, in decent housing -- and we
ought to address it by leveling the playing field.
PStemme asks: Do you think more
should be done about jury selection and the whole process?
Alan Dershowitz: Yes. We must reform
jury selection. Jury service should be made mandatory, universal -- no
excuses, no exceptions. There should be fewer peremptory challenges and
less manipulation of the jury pool by both sides.
JRockmo asks: If the bloody
glove found at the Rockingham estate was planted where did Fuhrman get it
from in the first place?
Alan Dershowitz: There are two issues
-- whether the glove was planted and whether or not blood was planted on
the glove. I do not put anything beyond Furhrman. Recall that when he
found the glove it was moist and there was no dew or humidity that night.
He could easily have picked the glove up outside of the crime scene, where
he was alone for half an hour, put it in a plastic baggie, which would
have kept it moist, and then planted when he was alone at the back of the
house. Several jurors, after hearing all the evidence, concluded that that
was a realistic possibility.
The bloodstained sock was even more suspicious, especially since the
blood on it found levels of EDTA not found in the human body but found in
levels used to preserve blood in police labs. In my book, Reasonable
Doubts, I have an extensive discussion of both the glove and the sock and
the forensic evidence.
enigmatic_hunkie asks: Do you
think it is unhealthy that Americans are so obsessed with this case when
there is so much else going on in the world that needs people's
attention?
Alan Dershowitz: Yes. But I'm not
surprised when national magazines list Princess Diana and Marilyn Monroe
as the most significant people of the century. Why should we be surprised
when an American celebrity is accused of murder.
But the Simpson case will not be remembered in the next century. It will
not rank as one of the trials of the century. It will not rank with the
Nuremberg trials, the Rosenberg trial, Sacco and Vanzetti. It is on par
with Leopold and Loeb and the Lindbergh case, all involving
celebrities.
It is also not one of the most important cases of my own career. I would
rank it somewhere in the middle in terms of interest and importance.
ctv_will: I know you have
appointments to keep now. I thank you very much for taking this time out
to talk with us!!

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