Warning: The following report contains sexually explicit language.
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Q. Did the president ever tell you that he wanted to end the sexual
relationship with you?
A. Yes. ... It was Presidents Day of 1996. I think that's Feb. 19.
And also on May 24, 1996 - no, 1997. ...
Q. Do you have a term that you refer to the May 24, 1997, meeting
with him?
A. D-day.
Q. And what does that stand for?
A. Dump day.
Q. And on those two occasions, what did he tell you about wanting
to end the relationship? ...
A. Both were, I think, motivated sort of by guilt and ... just
really wanting to do the right thing in God's eyes and do the right thing
for his family and he just - he didn't feel right about it.
Q. Did you engage in sexual contact with him after those times?
A. Yes. Kissing. ...
Q. Did your relationship involve giving gifts to each other?
A. Mm-hmm. Yes. ...
Q. And did you give any gifts to him?
A. Yes. ... About 30.
Q. ... Do you have any estimate of how many gifts he gave you?
A. I think about 18.
Q. Did you ever write him any notes or letters or cards? ... Is it
fair to say some of them were romantic in nature?
A. Yes.
Q. OK. Did he write you any letters or notes?
A. No. ...
Q. How is it that you remember all the events in such detail? ...
A. I've always been a date-oriented person and I had a - probably a
habit of circling dates in my Filofax when I either talked to the president
or saw him. ...
Q. ... In the visit category - or descriptions in the visit
category area that are described as physical intimacy. And with respect to
all of those, do they fall within the definition of sexual relations that
I've presented as Exhibit 6 to the grand jury.
A. Yes. ...
Q. Could you describe what the circumstances were leading up to
your visit with him on Feb. 28, 1997?
A. ... He said to go see Betty because he had something to give me
after. So I waited a little while for him and Betty and the president and I
went into the back office.
Q. OK. And why did Betty come in the back office with you?
A. ... I believe it was Stephen Goodin who said to Ms. Currie and
the president that the president couldn't be alone with me, so Ms. Currie
came back into the back office with us. ... And then left. ...
Q. And could you describe what you and the president did?
A. Mm-hmm. ... We moved over to the back hallway and we were
physically intimate.
Q. OK. And did you perform oral sex on that occasion?
A. Yes. ...
Q. And after that incident, did you ever tell Linda Tripp that
there might be the president's semen on that dress?
A. Yes, I did. ...
Q. OK. How much about your relationship with the president did you
tell Linda Tripp?
A. A lot. Most everything.
Q. OK. And did you tell her about the sexual encounters that you
had with him?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you also tell her about the emotional encounters and the gifts?
A. Yes.
Q. Were you truthful about the relationship when you told Linda
Tripp about it?
A. Most of the time, but sometimes - there were occasions when I
wasn't truthful.
Q. Were you truthful about the sexual parts of the relationship
with her?
A. Yes.
Q. ... Were you truthful about the emotional component of the
relationship?
A. Yes.
... (PROSECUTOR). ... Now directing your attention back to February
28th, 1997, the day that you wore the blue cocktail dress. ... You
mentioned that you believe that there could be semen on it. Could you
describe what you did with the president that led you to believe that?
A. We were in the bathroom and - can I close my eyes so I don't
have to ...
Q. Well, you have to speak up. That's the only ...
A. Okay. We were in the bathroom and I was performing oral sex. I'm
sorry, this is embarrassing. And usually he doesn't want to - he didn't
want to (ejaculate).
Q. Ejaculate?
A. Yes. And this has sort of been a subject that we had talked
about many times before and he was always saying it had issues to do with
trust and not knowing me well enough at first and then not feeling right
about things, and not that he said this but I took away from that to sort
of mean that maybe in his mind if he didn't (ejaculate) then maybe ... he
didn't need to feel guilty about that, that maybe ... that was easier for
him to rationalize.
And it was on this occasion ... that after we had engaged in oral
sex for a while and he stopped me as he normally did, I said to him, you
know - this is so embarrassing, I'm sorry. I said to him, you know, I
really - I want to make you (ejaculate). ...
Q. Okay. Why don't you just describe the position that you were in
once he had tried to stop you. What did you do that led you to believe
(that) might get semen on your dress?
A. I told him that I really cared about him and he told me that he
didn't want to get addicted to me and he didn't want me to get addicted to
him, and we embraced at that point. ... It's just a little tiny spot down
here and a little tiny spot up here and ...
Q. ... When you're pointing down here, you mean sort of your right
lower hip area?
A. ... I don't know if it was my right or left, but lower hip area.
Q. Okay. And the chest area would be the second place that you
thought you might have gotten some?
A. Mm-hmm.
Q. And is that from when you ... did actually continue to perform
oral sex on him later?
A. I believe so.
Q. Did you ever see something that you thought was semen on the
dress that led you to conclude that?
A. The next time I went to wear the dress.
Q. So at the time you didn't notice anything on the dress?
A. I don't believe so.
Q. Okay. What happened then the next time you wore the dress that
led you to conclude that?
A. ... I think I wore the dress out to dinner that night, so which
is why I'm not sure that that's what it is. ... So it could be spinach dip
or something. ...
... I really don't remember when it was the next time I went to
wear the dress, but I gained weight so I couldn't wear the dress and it
didn't fit.
... At that point I noticed it and I kind of thought, "Oh, this is
dirty, it needs to get cleaned." And then I remembered that I had worn it
the last time I saw the president, and I believe it was at that point that
I thought to myself, "Oh, no." ...
Q. ... Why did you tell Linda that you thought there was semen on
the dress?
A. I think it just sort of came up in conversation somehow ... as
kind of this funny, gross thing. And then the next time she was at my house
I still couldn't fit into the dress and believe that I said to her, "Oh,
look, you want to see this? You know, this is what I was talking about."
... But I just want to say because I know everybody here reads the
newspapers and listens to TV that I didn't keep this dress as a souvenir.
... I was going to clean it. I was going to wear it again.
...
(PROSECUTOR) Q. ... You mentioned that the president called you on
a number of occasions. Some of those occasions included phone sex. Did he
indicate where he was when he was placing those calls?
A. ... Sometimes.
Q. And where did he say he was when he did say where he was?
A. At home.
Q. Meaning the White House residence?
A. Yes.
Q. Where else might he have place calls from?
A. There were, I think, two times that he placed calls from the
campaign term, from Florida I think.
Q. Do you know whether he sometimes placed calls from the Oval
Office or other places?
A. Yes, yes.
Q. How do you know that?
A. Sometimes he would mention it and say he was in the office. I
know one time ... he was in the office and I asked him if he was in the
back or could he go in the back.
Q. Did he not only call you, what, at your home but also call you
at your office?
A. When I was working at the White House, yes.
Q. But not while you were working at the Pentagon?
A. ... There were, I think, maybe two occasions when I was working
at the Pentagon when Betty placed a call for him, and when that didn't
occur he picked up the phone and dialed the phone number himself. ...
Q. ... You had mentioned earlier that on, I think it was Feb. 28,
Steve Goodin spoke with Betty and the president about being - about being
alone with you. ... Could you give us a little more detail ...
A. ... I was in Ms. Currie's office and I was waiting with Ms.
Currie. And I believe Stephen was there at some point, and he might have
gone into the Oval Office first and then called Ms. Currie in a few minutes
after. ...
... I believe Betty came out to get me. I was really nervous
because I hadn't been alone with the president since the elections ...
The three of us went back into the back office.
Q. You had mentioned earlier that you later came to learn that
there was a discussion between them, between them, about you and the
president. ...
A. Stephen had said to the president or maybe had said to Betty,
"You know, she can't be alone with him." ...
Q. Let's focus a little bit about the presidential aides. You
mentioned Steve Goodin. Where are the aides at the time you are having your
encounters, if we can call them that, with the president?
A. Most of the time they weren't - they weren't there. They weren't
at the White House.
Q. And how was that arranged?
A. When I was working in Legislative Affairs, I don't think - I
don't know if it was ever verbally spoken but it was understood between the
president and myself that most of the - most people weren't in on the
weekends so there was - it would be safer to do that then.
And then after I left the White House, that was sort of always a
concern that Betty and I had, just because she knew and I knew that a lot
of people there didn't like me. ...
... Q. Do you think Betty Currie knew about your relationship with
the president?
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