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Monica Lewinsky's Feb. 1, 1998, Proffer

1. Ms. Lewinsky had an intimate and emotional relationship with President Clinton beginning in 1995. At various times between 1995 and 1997, Ms. Lewinsky and the President had physically intimate contact. This included oral sex but excluded intercourse.

2. When asked what should be said if anyone questioned Ms. Lewinsky about her being with the President, he said she should say she was bringing him letters (when she worked in Legislative Affairs) or visiting Betty Currie (after she left the WH). There is truth to both these statements.

3. After Ms. Lewinsky was informed she was being transferred to the Pentagon, Mr. Clinton told her that a) he promised to bring her back to the WH after the election and (in a subsequent conversation), b) Evelyn Lieberman spearheaded the transfer because she felt the President paid too much attention to me and vice versa. Ms. Lieberman told the Pres. that she didn't care who worked there after the election, but that they needed to be careful until then.

After the election, Ms. Lewinsky asked the Pres. to bring her back to the WH. In the following months, Mr. Clinton told Ms. Lewinsky that Bob Nash was handling it and then Marsha Scott became the contact person. Ms. L met with Ms. Scott twice. In the second meeting, Ms. Scott told Ms. L she would detail her from the Pentagon to her (Ms. Scott's) office, so people could see Ms. L's good work and stop referring to her as "The Stalker." Ms. Scott told Ms. L they had to be careful and protect the Pres. Ms. Scott later recinded her offer to detail Ms. Lewinsky to her office.

Ms. Betty Currie asked Mr. John Podesta to take over placing me in the WH. Three weeks after that, Ms. Linda Tripp informed Ms. L that a friend of Ms. Tripp's in the NSC, Kate, had heard rumors about Ms. L; Ms. L would never work at the WH with a blue pass; and suggested to Ms. Tripp that Ms. L leave Washington, D.C.

Following this conversation, Ms. Lewinsky requested of the Pres. that he ask Vernon Jordan to help secure her a non-governmental position in NY. He agreed to ask Mr. Jordan.

In an effort to help Ms. L, Ms. Currie asked Mr. Podesta to assist as well. Ms. L believes that the Pres. spoke with Mr. Erskine Bowles regarding Ms. L's employment in NY. Mr. Podesta arranged for Ms. L to interview with Amb. Richardson, who later offered Ms. L a position in Communications/Public Affairs at the USUN.

In the beginning of November 1997, Ms. L met with Mr. Jordan. He asked Ms. L why she was there to see him. Ms. L explained to him (in more detail) that she and the Pres. were friends and people got the wrong idea, resulting in Ms. L's banishment to the Pentagon. Ms. L said she was seeking Mr. Jordan's help to begin a new life; he agreed to help.

Ms. L met again with Mr. Jordan in the beginning of December '97, at which time he provided Ms. L with a list of three people to contact and suggested language to use in her letters to them. At some point, Mr. Jordan remarked something about Ms. L being a friend of the Pres. of the United States. Ms. L responded that she never really saw him as "the President"; she spoke to him like a normal man and even got angry with him like a normal man. Mr. Jordan asked what Ms. L got angry about. Ms. L replied that the Pres. doesn't see or call her enough. Mr. Jordan said Ms. L should take her frustrations out on him—not the president.

The following week Ms. L had two interviews in NY in response to her letters.

4. After Ms. Lewinsky was informed by the Pres. that she was identified as a possible witness in the Jones case, the Pres. and Ms. L discussed what she should do. The Pres. told her he was not sure she would be subpoenaed, but in the event that she was, she should contact Ms. Currie. When asked what to do if she was subpoenaed, the Pres. suggested she could sign an affidavit to try to satisfy their inquiry and not be deposed. In general, Ms. L should say she visited the WH to see Ms. Currie and, on occasion when working at the WH, she brought him letters when no one else was around. Neither of those statements was untrue. To the best of Ms. L's memory, she does not believe they discussed the content of any deposition that Ms. L might be involved in at a later date.

5. After receiving a subpoena two days later, Ms. L contacted Mr. Jordan (because Ms. Currie's brother had been killed in a car accident). Mr. Jordan told Ms. L to come see him at 5 p.m. because he couldn't understand Ms L. on the phone, through her tears. Upon Ms. L's request, Mr. Jordan arranged an appointment for her with an attorney, Mr. Frank Carter.

Ms L. expressed anxiety with respect to her subpoena requesting the production of any gifts from the Pres., specifically citing hat pins which the Pres. had in fact given her. Mr. Jordan allayed her concerns by telling her it was standard language. Mr. Jordan asked Ms. Lewinsky two questions: Did you have sex with the Pres. and/or did he ask you for sex? Ms. L responded to both questions with "no."

Possibly later in that meeting but more probably the next meeting, Ms. L tried to make it clear to Mr. Jordan that she in fact did have a physically intimate relationship with the Pres. Ms. L made it clear she intended to deny the sexual relationship with the Pres.

On the day Mr. Jordan drove Ms. L to Mr. Carter's office, she showed Mr. Jordan the items she was producing in response to the subpoena. Ms. L believes she made it clear this was not everything she had that could respond to the subpoena, but she thought it was enough to satisfy. Mr. Jordan made no comment about whether or not what Ms. L brought was right or wrong. Mr. J drove Ms. L to Mr. Carter's office, introduced them; and left.

6. The Pres., through Ms. Currie, invited Ms. L to come see him to get her Christmas presents. They played with Buddy, he gave her the presents, they talked casually and spoke a few minutes about the case. Ms. L asked him how he thought the attorneys for Paula Jones found out about her. He thought is was probably "that woman from the summerwith Kathleen Willey" (Linda Tripp) who lead them to Ms. L or possibly the uniformed agents. He shared Ms. L's concern about the hat pin. He asked Ms. L if she had told anyone that he had given it to her and she replied "no." Ms. L then asked if she should put away (outside her home) the gifts he had given her or, maybe, give them to someone else. (Ms. Currie called Ms. L later that afternoon as said that the Pres. had told her Ms. L wanted her to hold onto something for her. Ms. L boxed up most of the gifts she had received and gave them to Ms. Currie. It is unknown if Ms. Currie knew the contents of the box,)

Ms. L told the Pres. she was planning to sign an affidavit. When Ms. L and the Pres. discussed when Ms. L was moving to NY, the Pres. thought it might be possible that they would not seek her deposition if she was in NY. 7. Ms. Lewinsky called Mr. Jordan several times concerning her employment in NY. When she called one day especially concerned about the case, Mr. Jordan suggested they meet for breakfast.

At breakfast, Ms. L expressed concern about Ms. Tripp, saying she (Ms. L) had trusted her before, but that she was now suspicious of her. Ms. L said Ms. Tripp may have seen notes when she was in Ms. L's home. Mr. Jordan asked if the notes were from the Pres. Ms. L said that they were notes to the Pres. Mr. Jordan suggested to Ms. L she check to make sure they are not there (something to that effect). Ms. L interpreted that to mean she should get rid of whatever is there.

In the car on the way to his office, Ms. L asked Mr. Jordan if he thought the Pres. would always be married to Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Jordan replied that he thought they would always be married, as they should be. Ms. L expressed disappointment and then Mr. Jordan said, "Well, maybe you two will have an affair when eh's out of office." Ms. L replied that she and the Pres. already had an affair minus having sex—but it included everything else. Ms. L believes they did not get into any more detail.

After Ms. L received the draft of the affidavit, she called Mr. Jordan to ask that he look it over befure she signed it. He instructed her to drop off a copy at his office. They spoke later by phone about the affidavit, agreeing to make some changes.

That evening, Ms. L placed a phone call to Ms. Currie asking her to tell the Pres. that she wanted to speak with him before she signed something the next day. He returned Ms. L's call a few hours later. Ms. L told him Mr. Carter had asked her some sample questions that might be asked of her in the deposition and she didn't know how to answer them. Furthermore, she was concerned that if the answers involved naming people in the WH who didn't like her they would try to screw her over. Ms. L asked him how she should respond to the question, "How did you get your job at the Pentagon?" He replied, "The people in Legislative Affairs helped you." This is, in fact, part of the truth—but not the whole truth. The Pres. told Ms. L not to worry about the affidavit as he had seen 15 others.

8. Ms. L started to become wary of Ms. Tripp in the beginning of Dec. 1997, when Ms. Tripp told Ms. L she had received a subpoena in the Jones case and if asked about Ms. L or others, she would divulge all she knew.

9. Ms. L had a physically intimate relationship with the President. Neither the Pres. nor Mr. Jordan (or anyone on their behalf) asked or encouraged Ms. L to lie. Ms. L was comfortable signing the affidavit with regard to the "sexual relationship" because she could justify to herself that she and the Pres. did not have sexual intercourse.

10. At some point in the relationship between Ms. L and the President, the President told Ms. L to deny a relationship if ever asked about it. He also said something to the effect of if two people who are involved say it didn't happen—it didn't happen. Ms. L knows this was said some time prior to the subpoena in the Paula Jones case.

11. Item #2 above also occurred prior to the subpoena in the Jones case.

 
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