Goldwater on Nixon's Prospects

Most Republicans are disturbed by the crisis into which their party has been dragged by the Watergate scandal. Conservatives, despite their general support of Richard Nixon, have been especially troubled. Among the most outspoken critics has been Barry Goldwater, the G.O.P.'s 1964 presidential candidate. Last week, in an interview with TlME's Hays Corey, the Senator from Arizona talked with his usual bluntness about Watergate's impact.

Has Watergate eroded the President's support among Republican conservatives? Watergate is the concern of every Republican I talk to. But both conservatives and liberals in the party are ready to stand behind the President. I think he'll continue to get support on votes in Congress, particularly on vetoes.

What should be done now? There ought to be a complete clarification —who, what, where, when—everything out. Right now.

Should the President make a statement on Watergate? What the hell can he say? It's all coming over the tube, anyway. If he didn't lie, he'll probably be O.K. The American people are not too concerned with the morals of their leaders.

Should President Nixon resign? If the President of the United States lied to the American people, then the question is: Can you trust him? Impeachment would come up. And this country is in too much trouble internationally to have such a gigantic demonstration of distrust in its leaders. I'm convinced he knew nothing at the inception [of the Watergate affair]. But the coverup?

If it can be proved that he lied, resignation would have to be considered.

It would be quick. Everything would be over, ended. It wouldn't drag out like impeachment.

If Nixon resigns, should Vice President Agnew also resign? No. If there is one thing the Vice President can back up, it's that he doesn't know what the hell is going on at the White House.

What should the President do to exert leadership? Lead. We are in a very, very critical position as a nation. We have to reassure everyone at home and abroad that this country is not just standing still. He was going to reorganize the State Department. It's totally inept. Nothing has been done. I visited the Pentagon last week. I was appalled.

There are at least five vacancies at the Secretary level. There's no one in a civilian suit to give orders.

What can be done to prevent another Watergate? Stop printing dollar bills. In other words, nothing—unless people suddenly become highly moral, honest and ethical.

Do you sense that your words have haa impact? I see no indication of change.