The World: A PALESTINE STATE: 'INCONCEIVABLE '

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ON SINAI AND GOLAN. Within Sinai we can find a line of peace in the context of a peace treaty. The same principle would apply to the Golan Heights. But Judea and Samaria cannot be given up in any part, not only because they belong to us, but because it would destroy our security and in my opinion destroy the chance for peace.

ON RELATIONS WITH THE U.S. I value relations with America very much, provided they are mutual and with reciprocity. I know we have basic differences with the U.S. about a settlement. I believe they can be resolved. If I meet President Carter, I will tell him about

Ithe situation]. He knows the Bible by heart. I also know some parts of the Bible. And he knows the land. Let him be the judge. I don't know whether I will convince him, but I will do my best. Don't forget the Rogers plan was presented to us in 1969. [Former Premier Golda] Meir said that "any Israeli government that would accept the plan would commit treason." If Carter says withdrawal to the 1967 borders with minor modifications [which he does], it is exactly the Rogers plan. But it is even worse. Rogers never mentioned a Palestinian homeland.

ON A U.S.-IMPOSED SOLUTION. I don't think President Carter will do it to Israel. He is not going to send Marines to coerce us. We are a sovereign state and to assume that President Carter, of all people, would withhold arms is the wildest fantasy. I'll tell you why. I heard Carter say to President Ford in the second [campaign] confrontation in California that "you almost drove Israel to her knees by that so-called reassessment of [Secretary of State] Kissinger's." A man who uses such sharp words of condemnation and claims that there must be morality between nations —that he of all people should try to bring Israel to her knees is inconceivable. If it happens, then we shall say, "Mr. President, we are going to stand on our feet. We are not going on our knees."

ON SOVIET EXPANSION. I believe that the U.S. does not want to see the Soviet Union expanding. Israel is the factor in the Middle East that prevents the Soviet Union from taking over completely. When we were along the Suez Canal, we ' helped the U.S. by having the canal closed for six years. Soviet ships taking arms to North Viet Nam had to go via the Cape of Good Hope, a delay of 16 days. Then in September 1970, Syria massed tanks on the Jordanian border and Washington moved the Sixth Fleet to the eastern Mediterranean. The U.S. asked us to make a move. We concentrated part of our troops against the Syrian tanks. The Syrians withdrew, and there was no war. I think we rendered a service to the U.S.